Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

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Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

Postby Mr G » Sat May 01, 2010 11:45 pm

With reference to help for snowy's project, previous pictures of standard chassis types. Feel free to add any found :)

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Re: Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

Postby snowy2 » Sun May 02, 2010 8:14 pm

Thanks MrG;
it is exactly what i want, it looks like an S1 or earlier chassis, am i right?
I want to build a data base of the various chassis types ( i suspect they will look similar) and the body types, then work from there.
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Re: Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

Postby Andy S » Mon May 03, 2010 12:28 am

Leaf springs in the background and the "stepped" rear chassis rails give it away as an S2

S1 the rear rails carry straight on not dropped or stepped with extra bit of box welded beneath the rails
B+ Those rails are shorter and are cut and shut and levelled off

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Re: Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

Postby snowy2 » Mon May 03, 2010 7:36 am

Do you know Andy i really should look harder at these pictures, but i looked at the picture and thought it looked a little like mine would with the body work off, i spotted what looks like triumph suspension mounts up front, i hadn't looked close enough at the rear of the chassis and a picture of the chassis in profile would be nice if Mrg has one, if not i will have to look out for one. the stepped section at the back is exactly the difference i want to highlight. (I hadn't noticed it)
It would be a real help when someone gives me pictures of chassis if they let me know which one (not a dig mrG i never thought about it), still it would have been a good idea to have have asked from the start, but there's me going off half cocked as usual.
Your right about the leaf springs and it goes to show what a lousy detective i would make as i hadn't spotted them!
I'm not trying to be clever here or trying to prove something, neither am i saying that i am the best suited for the job, to be honest it had occurred to me to ask for your input on various technical points on chassis / body types from the start as i suspect you have stripped a few. if you have a B type chassis in stripped down condition a few pictures would be good. the DOC is in need of some one to bring together all the various chassis body types and produce some sort of comprehensive (where possible) build manual, noting common mods, common engine gearbox combo's, radiator options, anything to improve the stock of Duttons out there.
Also a better description of how to recognise the various cars would be nice, but at least i am doing something about it rather than waiting for the committee members to authorise something, i want the club to survive and i am doing my little part, others can do their bit (help me with this one if they like) but trying to organise some events is some one else's job (with other car clubs i think), not just a Dutton get together, still what do i know.
Thanks for the chassis info Andy, it is the start of a long project i suspect.
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Re: Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

Postby Andy S » Mon May 03, 2010 9:36 am

That rear section is the key difference between the middle models - I say middle for this reason

1. Early cars

B Type Triumph independant transverese leaf rear - Triumph front
B Type Ford live Axle and five link rear- Triumph front

2. Second series

Malaga - Ford based Live axle rear 4 link - Triumph front
B + Ford based live axle rear coil over rear 4 link - Triumph front
S1- Ford based live axle rear coil over rear 4 link - Triumph front
S2- Ford based live axle rear on leaf springs - Triumph front

3. Later cars

S3/S4 - All Ford escort based front and rear on leaf springs mainly but sone with a 4 link coil over set up -fronts also changed regularly with triumph coil overs - after markets together with different chassis changes around this.


Notes.

Rear coil overs on early cars with live axle were Lotus Seven - Caterham had not taken over the Seven at this time.

4 link of second series is 3 trailing arms and a shortish Panhard over the top of the axle generally Imp front suspension used as the rear coil over package

Some later S1 cars fitted with 5 link

On the front of the Mid series cars the steering rack mounts were repositioned after comments made by Car and Car Conversions when they built an S1

Live axle chassis

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The key difference on these early cars is that the chassis is all very thin gauge 1" square and round tube and its all bronze brazed like the Lotus Seven chassis - However unlike the Lotus Seven the welds are done very badly...... Some of the welded joints are still open ended where they have been prep'd poorly - The suspesion puts stress point in the centre of stressed members etc etc.




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Re: Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

Postby Tom_Ger_Phaeton S2 » Tue May 18, 2010 6:12 am

Hello Paul and Andy,

the first photo from the chassy is like my chassy...

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after the conversion

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Reconstruction back rigid-axle Type Escort to independent suspension Ford scorpio cosworth & front to Scorpio
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Re: Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

Postby snowy2 » Sun May 23, 2010 7:27 am

Thanks every body for what i have so far, the project is coming along nicely.

Tom; Sandra says you and Alex are welcome to visit with us any time you like and if you wish your welcome to stay at ours as a base for a holiday in the UK. I will send you a PM later to give more details if you wish them.
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Re: Bare Chassis pictures - RE Snowy project

Postby Tom_Ger_Phaeton S2 » Mon May 24, 2010 12:00 am

Hello Adam,
best wishes to Sandra and to you, we are very friendly about this offer.
If my Dutton is finished, we want to go to Stoneleigh and would like to visit you. :!:

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